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hayley

Blood in kittens stool

Hi, I have already rang and made an appointment with the vets but no appointment until 3:45 today. My youngest born in August had runny tummy this morning and blood was in his stool. I'am so worried as I have only had him since last Saturday and have fed him all the food the breeder did. He seems fine in himself. He has been eating wet and dry food but mainly dry and drinking water. The vets receptionist said not to worry about taking the stool but do you think I should?
Has anyone else experienced this in the past with kittens?
Thanks, Hayley Sad
swansearagz

Hi,
It is most likely worms. They will give kittens a runny tummy, blood in their poo and sometimes a bloated belly if left untreated. It is very simple to sort out. The vets will give you some worming tablets. I would do both kittens, just to be on the safe side.
teresah

Hi Hayley - many years ago we had a new kitten come into the house and we noticed that the stools had a bloody type mucus on them and were really worried.. we rang the vet who told us to leave the kitten for a few days and monitor the stools, if they were no better in 5 days to make an appointment.

He mentioned that in his "opinion" kittens and puppy's get distressed when moving to a new home and this can/sometimes affects their bowel movements.  Outwardly the kitten/puppy can appear to be content and settled but inwardly they are fretting for their siblings/old family etc.

The kitten only had the one and only bloody stool.  The kitten was taken to the vets a few weeks later for its vaccinations etc and was wormed at the same time (this is 20+ years ago) when kittens left breeders at 7 or 8 weeks of age.
I hope that this is of help to you x
hayley

Thank you to both of you for replying.
I know that they were both wormed last Saturday by the breeder with Milbemax.
Think to be on the safe side will still take him to the vets.
Could be either of these things I suppose!
He also had his last injections last Friday Confused
Barry Smith

Hi Hayley

Good luck at the vets. I am sure it will be fine.We insure kittens when they go to new homes as it is a stressful time for the kitten. This is the sort of thing which can happen.I would have waited to see how he was after a few days as long as he seemed fine in himself.However better to be safe than sorry.

Let us know how it goes
Barry

PS He should have stayed with the breeder for 7 days after his last injection
hayley

Thanks Barry.
Yes I did not know that. He had his last injection on the Friday and we collected him on the Saturday.
I agree it is better to be safe than sorry so will go this afternoon to put my mind at rest!
I will let you know what the vet says
Thanks Hayley
Alexandra

Hayley I hope your kitten is much better now!!!
hayley

Just got home from taking Duke to the vets and he said it sounded like he needed to have Panacur oral for a different type of worm that Milbemax would not of done??
I will do Buddy aswell and give it to them in there wet food but am a little worried as Buddy eats more than Duke.
He said to give it for 7 days and if not cleared up then to go back with a stool sample.
He may have it and not Buddy as he is younger and alot smaller for his age......the vet said he looked half his age (he was born 16/08/10)........now I am worried or is it normal sometimes to have a slow start??
xx
Deborah

Hi Hayley,

From the picture you posted of Duke he doesn't look small for his age to me, but just out of interest do you know what they both weigh? I usually say for the first few months roughly 1lb per month, they start to slow down as they get older.

I agree with Barry that the breeder should not have let the kittens leave home the day after their 2nd vaccination. It is recommended at least 7 days after their 2nd vaccination they can leave home. It is stressfull enough visiting the vet and then to also go to a new home too. Plus have you thought about the change in water?
hayley

Hi Deborah,

I have just weighed them and Duke born 16/08 weighs 2lb 2oz.
Buddy who was born 31/07 weighs 4lb 4oz.
As I am new to all this I don't know if this is normal or not.....what do you think?

Just tried to put Panacur oral into Dukes wet food and I can tell he is not going to eat it.......any advice!? Rolling Eyes
Just remembered that the vet said he thought it was Giardia - should I be worried bearing in mind I have Buddy too?, Could this be why Duke is so small.
margaret

Hi Hayley

The big question is does he have loose motions or does he have dripping (sorry) diahroea? Gardia is a very strong smelling, dripping, condition. Can easily be cured with the correct treatment.

When I have had cats with messy poos it is not unusual to see a bit of blood. Just like people, their passages get a little sore. No harm in getting him checked by the vet. Debs raised a point I thought of today - change in water, also a bit of stress moving home and maybe a bit of a reaction to his vacination which is why there should be a seven day gap until moving home.

Cats grow at different rates and as long as he is happy, eating, playing, gaining weight (no matter how small) then do not worry. The tiniest (and I mean tiny) of kittens usually grow into the biggest hulking lumps going. My Ollie is proof of that.
Margaretx
swansearagz

Go back to your vets and ask for a syringe for the wormer. It is much easier to get it into them that way. I have never got a cat to eat food with panacur wormer in it! They arent stupid, unfortunately! lol.

Hope this will solve your problem.
hayley

Margaret and Harriet,

Thank you for your advice/knowledge!. I have this morning put the food down and both of them just sniffed it and walked off.....nearly in tears as I would like them to be cured and healthy.  Sad
I have a syringe so will try and do it that way, at least then they can have some proper cuisine!
I think you are right it could be all those thing with duke. Maybe Buddy showed it for a few days in the way he acted and then was fine. Whereas Duke seemed fine and a few days later had runny tummy. (disgusting to talk about!) but it was runny, like french mustard (sorry to those who like french mustard!). With his coat being so thick it was stuck everywhere and really hard to get off!  Rolling Eyes
I think coming on this forum is great and you have all been so helpful  Very Happy
I would be a nervous wreck by now!!!
Fingers crossed he will be on the mend xx
fairydolls

Try to give them diarsanyl, you can get it from internet or your local vet. It is verry effective for runny stools and vomiting.
hayley

Thanks Fairydolls. I am taking Duke back to the vets tonight but am going to a different Vet as the one where I live has been no help!.
I will ask him about the stuff you have said about.  Very Happy
I have managed to fool him for two nights now with the Panacur in his evening meal of cod!!
Barry Smith

Fingers crossed
It can be a bit of a catch 22 as you could try feeding something they really like with the medicine in it and in theory they will eat it all but then you are giving them something which may upset the tummy further.
I am sure there is a worming pill which is now considered edible from Drontal.
Are they OK in themselves and playing as normal. Good idea to get a second opinion

Barry
hayley

Hi Barry, went to an excellent vet last night who did a full over check on him, weighed him and checked his temperature. He said he would say he looks more like a 12/13 week old kitten but not to worry as they come in all shapes and sizes. He said to stop the Panacur. We are now feeding him and Buddy RC sensitive tummy pouches and putting probiotic granules in his food. Will do this and see if stools improve. If they don't he would like to do a stool test. As all this is costly he has asked me to get the Insurance details from the breeder so I can hopefully claim back.
I just hope he improves but he seems fine in himself other then runny tummy!
Hayley
margaret

Hi Hayley

You should have been given the insurance cover note when you collected the kittens. If the kittens are not already on the free cover then the treatment they are receiving will be classed as a pre-existing condition and the free policy will not cover them. This is a minefield. Please check your paperwork to see if you have not got something in there already.

Margaretx
Barry Smith

Hi Hayley
Proceed with care.I agree with Margaret.

Barry
fairydolls

A first thing good vet should do is testing the stool (not serving food RC that causes runny stools!)
Worming tablets increase loosness, worming kitten just in case is not a very good idea, it is better to check if there are any worms by testing a stool.
Diarsanyl worked for all my cats and kittens very well, loosnes always stopped after first dose. It is a supplement and you don't need perscription.
Think of changing diet to high protein one (that will help stopping loosness) based on animal tissues (not plant). Orijen or Acana is very good, give your kitten raw meat (beef is the best for tummy upsets) and I guarantee it will help straight away.
margaret

Hi Hayley

I have to agree with Fairydolls on the diet. I know a lot of people use RC but it can be too rich for a lot of tums. Raw is very good for settling tums down. Probiotic is good. If he won't eat raw then give the dried brands mentioned a go. I have just reared a litter of five and luckily not had a runny tum at all - I have given them raw, IAMS kitten, craze kitten and also the costco dried food. Craze kitten is very good for sensitive tums and raggies with bad tums have responded well to it. You can get it on line from pinkypawz. A little boiled chicken and rice might also help. He is otherwise a happy, healthy kitten but is probably a bit stressy after moving home. I know from experience it is so hard to settle a bad tum down. You try anything and everything and then it just makes it worse.

Margaretx
margaret

Hi

Forgot to say I did use a dried food from Pets At Home that was very good when I was waiting delivery on some food. It is their own label purely range and they do a kitten chicken dried. About £7 for 2kg. In a trendy brown bag. The contents look good and I had no problems with adults and kittens eating it. No loose tums at all. I was surprised being their own label but I would use it again.

Margaretx
Eiserblew

Out of interest, if it is the Royal Canin Feline Vet Sensitivity pouches, these are based on a chicken and rice formula. It is gluten free, lactose free and designed to have no component which is usually attributed to intolerance by cats. The ingredients are:

Chicken liver, chicken meat, rice, rice protein, cellulose fibre, fish oil, sunflower oil, minerals, taurine, Fructo-Oligo-Saccharides (FOS), DL-methionine, marigold extract (rich in lutein), trace elements (including chelated trace elements), vitamins.

Ask 100 people, and you'll get 100 answers. Personally, if that is what the vet has recommended, I would stick with it for now. Give it a chance to work, if it doesn't, then move onto the next thing. Too much switching between one thing and another will give the stomach and gut no chance to settle.

I am a strong advocate of raw feeding, but sometimes I think you need to sit back, get things sorted, then make gradual changes. Personally, I don't like Royal Canin food, but reading up on the veterinary Sensitivity pouches they don't seem to be full of the usual rubbish. From my point of view, I would go with what the vet has suggested. If it works, then great, and look at gradually changing the diet to a good quality food over a week or so once he has been well for a good length of time. Others have made suggestions on brands. Personally, I have only used the Pets at Home Purely range and the Costco foods, which seem to be far better than the normal Royal Canin, Hills, Iams and so-on.

And I echo what Margaret has said. You should have been given 4 weeks insurance with your kittens when you collected them. If it hasn't been done yet and the breeder activates it now, this would be classed as a pre-existing condition, and cover would be refused by the insurer.

Check carefully through everything you were given, and if you can't find the cover note, ring the breeder. They should note the policy number for each kitten they insure, so even if you have lost the cover note you'll be able to get your policy number.
fairydolls

Eiserblew wrote:

Chicken liver, chicken meat, rice, rice protein, cellulose fibre, fish oil, sunflower oil, minerals, taurine, Fructo-Oligo-Saccharides (FOS), DL-methionine, marigold extract (rich in lutein), trace elements (including chelated trace elements), vitamins.


Ufortunately rice just masks loosness by absorbing water from cat's organism, dehydrating the kitten, secondly cat doesnt digest plant proteins. It's like feeding a cow with meat. Thats why kittens get loosness after most dry foods contains rice, corn and other grains. I've been there and had cat's bottom washing every evening I've tried Hills, RC, Proplan and many more, when I switched to BARF and Orijen dry problem disapeard in one day.
Eiserblew

The food is pouches, not wet food. The rice will already have absorbed as much fluid as it can. It will not, in this instance, mask the symptoms.

I have too seen the effects of feeding raw. My studs always had loose motions. There was nothing medically wrong with them. In their case, it was because they gorged too much on dry food. So much was going in that it had to get through their system quicker. Changing to raw did stopped it.

Rice is not one of the 'usual' irritants for cats, hence why vets always recommend feeding white rice and boiled chicken. Other, more common, irritants for cats are things like turkey and potato. Both of which are ingredients in Orijen.

I have never tried the Royal Canin Veterinary Sensitivity diet. Please note, I am referring to the Veterinary Sensitivity diet you'd find at the vets, not the normal 'sensitive' you find at shows. In this case it may well work. If it does, after a while the diet could be changed gradually.

I feel that this kitten has been through a lot of changes over the last week or two. He has already been given some of the pouched food, so I really would not advocate changing his food yet again at this point.
fairydolls

Eiserblew wrote:
Other, more common, irritants for cats are things like turkey and potato. Both of which are ingredients in Orijen.


That's first time I hear these are irritants for cats. Besides the % of these in Orijen is very low comparing to % of rice in RC not to mention BHA and BHT.
Anyway I feed Orijen only as a snack so can't really say if fed on it's own wouldn't cause any loose stools.  
However I agree that so many changes in this kitten diet might cause more problems. The pouches do not work for this kitten as far as I read from the post, so giving a little bit of raw minced beef will not cause any harm but might help.
My kittens always get loosnes after worming and then I use diarsanyl. There are also viruses causing tummy upsets. I learnt that the only safe wormer for my kittens is milbemax.

Coming back to rice dehydration is one thing, if it's in pouches then it's not the case. Second thing is cats' lack of ability to digest plant proteins and this might cause loosnes and most likely tummy upsets.
I will repeat myself that feeding cat grains is the same as feeding cow with meat. Rice and chicken is good for omnivorous people not for carnivore cat.
Barry Smith

Hi Hayley
I always say to new owners that they will know how acceptable a food is by the end result. I seem to spend my life looking at kitten poo.There is much joy in my house when we talk about the production of nice solid sausages and in the litter tray!! Sometimes it is a little trial and error on food to get to where you want to be.

Barry
fairydolls

I agree Barry, thats how I started feeding my cats and kittens BARF, I've tried so many brands Rolling Eyes

I think that before we decide what our cat should eat we should know basics of feline nutrition. I can recomend this interesting article as a start http://www.catinfo.org/ and http://www.rawfedcats.org/carnivores.htm†unfortunately most of pets owners (including me in the past Embarassed ) blindly believe in anything pet food commercials and vets (educated in cats' nutrition by pet food companies) tell us. To be honest most vets know very little about pet's nutrition, additionally they earn money on selling all these rubish pet foods, wich is a shame.
hayley

Thanks for all your replys....didn't know there were so many different views out there!!
Since I last posted Duke still seems fine in himself....but the food has not changed anything....he tends to go in the litter tray whilst I am changing it and it was like a tap and with blood in again this morning.
I have put the sample in the pot so now will have to collect for another 2 days.....looks like I will be getting the vet to test it. I have enough of thoses pouches for another day and then god knows what I am gonna feed him. Rolling Eyes
It has been 5 days doing this as I had to put the prebiotic sachet in everyday and I used the last one this morning.
I just feel sorry for him  Sad
I will take a look at the Fairydolls links so I can read up about nutrition
fairydolls

Fingers crossed for your little raggie, hope he'll get better soon
timandrajane

Poor wee mite.

What is he actually being treated for right now?  (Worms, giardia?)
hayley

the vet thought it might be that his food was too rich for him so wanted to try giving him prebiotics and more bland food for 5 days.
Now that hasn't worked I think a stool sample will be tested. I think it will be tested for Giardia -I am not sure.  Confused
toni simmonds

my boy charlie started getting upset tummys and runny stools when he was about 6 months old. he was on Royal Canin kitten at the time.  I was advised to take him off kitten food as it was possibly too rich for him.  as we have 2 other raggies, one of whom is sick after eating food, i had to find something they could all eat without too many problems. - they were already on a mixture of rc beauty & hair/skin.  fortunately the first food i tried for Charlie, royal canin persian, works for all 3 of them.  no more upset tummys for charlie and fewer occasions of being sick for Teddy.  I now have another kitten who is just 6 months old.  he's on royal canin persian kitten.he now eats with the rest of the gang so i'm sure he's eating their adult persian food.  fingers crossed but no problems so far.
hayley

Toni, glad your raggies are all doing well now. Interesting to know.
I used to have a moggy cat and she was very petite and was always sick after eating.
Now I have a kitten who has the runny tummy problem - so difficult to know what to do for them and good to hear that with abit of persistence you can help them solve it.
Thanks, Hayley Very Happy
fairydolls

Hayley I've got another interesting link for You http://www.catnutrition.org/index.php it is about a cat with the inflammatory bowel disease wich is "uncurable", well it is curable with a proper diet ofcourse. Worth to read.
I personaly wouldn't use RC on any of my cats, more over I think it it is most toxic food next to whiskas, felix and Purina products on market. And why do they have so many diferent kinds of food???? RC for persians for kittens for maine coons. The cats nutritional need are exacly the same, doesn't matter if it's a persian or a ragdoll or a kiiten (kittens need just more food)
margaret

Hi Hayley

I don't like saying don't use this brand of food or the other because what works for one does not work for another. Personally, I gave up buying anything to do with Royal Canin and James Well Beloved over a year ago after having really bad stomach upsets in my household. JWB is now made at the RC plant and both are now owned by Pedigree Masterfoods.
A bland diet to me for a cat is boiled chicken and boiled white fish. Probiotic on its own usually only replaces the friendly bacteria in the gut.I have heard good results from a new one called fortiflora which does state it helps stop the runs in cats. It is a powder and you could syringe it in to the cat to ensure they are getting their dosage.

You don't always get a positive results with tests. Even if a cat is suffering for what they test it for. I will keep my fingers crossed for you as I know how frustrating this must be for you. I think most of us have been there and done that. Just keep thinking positive. I used a supplement many years ago for my Willow called Peridale. Does not work for everyone but worked for him. He had problems for 4 - 6 months.

Margaretx
hayley

duke

Touch wood I have had a breakthrough!!
It has been a week of Duke just on boiled chicken, antibiotics and Panacur and he put on 5 oz in 2 days and looks so different. He finishes the medicines tomorrow and his stools look normal Surprised .
Now I have just got to keep him that way. Rolling Eyes
Thanks to everyone that has given advice and reasurance.
Margaret McGurk

Great news.  I've been following your posts with interest.  Hope Duke is on the road to recovery and everything will settle down and you can enjoy your kittens.

No consolation, my vet says she sees lots of this in pedigree kittens - not just Ragdolls - usually between four and six months.  She's of the opinion that it's something that generally sorts itself out.  Too bad for the pet owners that, along the way, there's a fortune to be spent trying this-and-that at the vet's to remedy the problem.

Have a great Christmas with your kittens.

Margaret McGurk
www.rubicatz.co.uk
Barry Smith

Well done Hayley
So pleased for you.I am sure he will go from strength to strength now.
Merry Christmas
Barry
margaret

Hi Hayley

I am really pleased for you.

Keep doing whatever it is you are doing. Don't change a thing. Have a good Christmas,

Margaretx
fairydolls

Great news! Very Happy  I'm glad everything is going well now.
Have a lovely Christmas.
toni simmonds

best wishes hayley. fingers crossed everythings settled down now
ragshaven

Hi Toni Smile
Merry Xmas to you and Brian and my babies and to Roxsana
Dawn
toni simmonds

Hi dawn

merry christmas to you, Glyn and the gang. Harry's just discovered christmas presents!!  best wishes Toni & Brian

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